1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:03,069 >> We're going to go next to Marshall Space Flight Center 2 00:00:03,069 --> 00:00:04,603 in Huntsville, Alabama. 3 00:00:04,603 --> 00:00:07,106 Where Lori Megs is standing by live to tell us 4 00:00:07,106 --> 00:00:11,010 about a veggies experiment in space. 5 00:00:11,010 --> 00:00:12,511 Lori? 6 00:00:12,511 --> 00:00:14,847 >> Well it's vital for astronauts to learn how 7 00:00:14,847 --> 00:00:17,216 and be able to grow their own vegetables 8 00:00:17,216 --> 00:00:19,351 as we further explore the solar system. 9 00:00:19,351 --> 00:00:22,555 But what would it take to grow a garden in space? 10 00:00:22,555 --> 00:00:24,256 Sounds easy, but is it? 11 00:00:24,256 --> 00:00:26,392 Joining me now is Paul Zamprelli, and Paul, 12 00:00:26,392 --> 00:00:28,194 I'm told that you might know the answer to this. 13 00:00:28,194 --> 00:00:32,364 You've got a new experiment up and it's -- I like the name. 14 00:00:32,364 --> 00:00:33,065 It's easy. 15 00:00:33,065 --> 00:00:34,333 VEGGIE. I can relate. 16 00:00:34,333 --> 00:00:35,701 Tell us about VEGGIE. 17 00:00:35,701 --> 00:00:39,972 >> Well VEGGIE's -- it's a been a 10 year development based 18 00:00:39,972 --> 00:00:44,043 on an SBIR -- or Small Business Innovative Research -- 19 00:00:44,043 --> 00:00:45,377 with NASA. 20 00:00:45,377 --> 00:00:47,613 Working out of Kennedy. 21 00:00:47,613 --> 00:00:51,784 It's a plant production system basically, that's going up. 22 00:00:51,784 --> 00:00:53,853 Very interactive with the astronauts. 23 00:00:53,853 --> 00:01:02,862 To be able to grow food, lettuce and a whole dietary plan 24 00:01:03,796 --> 00:01:05,731 for the astronauts for nutrition. 25 00:01:05,731 --> 00:01:07,066 >> So how does it work? 26 00:01:07,066 --> 00:01:12,338 >> So basically the unit is a box that has LED lighting. 27 00:01:12,338 --> 00:01:16,509 And it actually -- you can see it there -- 28 00:01:16,509 --> 00:01:19,712 it has LED lighting that is an accordion type 29 00:01:19,712 --> 00:01:24,750 and the plants grow as -- and it is very interactive with, 30 00:01:24,750 --> 00:01:28,187 and the astronauts can touch and feel and tend 31 00:01:28,187 --> 00:01:30,156 to it just like a real garden. 32 00:01:30,156 --> 00:01:32,324 So we're growing lettuce? 33 00:01:32,324 --> 00:01:33,659 >> We are. 34 00:01:33,659 --> 00:01:38,898 The first mission, as it goes up, which is slated to be 35 00:01:38,898 --> 00:01:43,869 on Space X3, will grow lettuce and take a look 36 00:01:43,869 --> 00:01:45,871 at the growth pattern. 37 00:01:45,871 --> 00:01:47,907 And then it will be harvested and brought back 38 00:01:47,907 --> 00:01:53,612 down for research on the lettuce itself, looking for microbials 39 00:01:53,612 --> 00:01:57,449 or any kind of impurities 40 00:01:57,449 --> 00:01:59,451 that may hurt the astronauts if they eat it. 41 00:01:59,451 --> 00:02:01,187 >> And this is really the first of its kind, 42 00:02:01,187 --> 00:02:03,622 because this is going to have crew interaction, 43 00:02:03,622 --> 00:02:06,926 and it's also going to grow off the cabin air. 44 00:02:06,926 --> 00:02:07,760 >> Correct. 45 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:08,994 Correct. Most of the science -- 46 00:02:08,994 --> 00:02:12,431 there's been a lot of plant science put on station. 47 00:02:12,431 --> 00:02:15,601 But it's all been encased, and very hands-off. 48 00:02:15,601 --> 00:02:18,204 The environment has been very strict with it. 49 00:02:18,204 --> 00:02:23,609 This is open to the air, being able to grow 50 00:02:23,609 --> 00:02:26,478 on the air that's in the cabin itself. 51 00:02:26,478 --> 00:02:27,713 So it's different. 52 00:02:27,713 --> 00:02:29,448 >> Now it looks red, but it's not right [chuckles]? 53 00:02:29,448 --> 00:02:33,586 >> No that -- actually it's -- the LED lights, we -- 54 00:02:33,586 --> 00:02:35,921 what we do for low power consumption, 55 00:02:35,921 --> 00:02:39,892 we take just the light a plant needs to grow, 56 00:02:39,892 --> 00:02:43,862 that light is a lot of red and some other blends. 57 00:02:43,862 --> 00:02:47,433 It matters what type of plant we have in it, but Dr. Morrow, 58 00:02:47,433 --> 00:02:53,872 back at Orbitech has been very instrumental in being able 59 00:02:53,872 --> 00:02:55,674 to do the right pitches for the plants. 60 00:02:55,674 --> 00:02:57,376 There's a lot of science that goes into it, 61 00:02:57,376 --> 00:02:59,712 but it makes it grow very fast and efficient. 62 00:02:59,712 --> 00:03:02,147 >> So what is the science mission here? 63 00:03:02,147 --> 00:03:03,048 We're going to grow it. 64 00:03:03,048 --> 00:03:03,882 Harvest it. 65 00:03:03,882 --> 00:03:04,817 Then they won't eat it right? 66 00:03:04,817 --> 00:03:06,218 >> Correct. 67 00:03:06,218 --> 00:03:09,488 Correct. No, it has to be flown back down, and then analyzed. 68 00:03:09,488 --> 00:03:14,627 And then once that is approved, then they can start growing 69 00:03:14,627 --> 00:03:16,128 and eating it as a supplement 70 00:03:16,128 --> 00:03:17,396 for what they're doing on station. 71 00:03:17,396 --> 00:03:19,265 >> And you have a unit here, right? 72 00:03:19,265 --> 00:03:20,499 >> I do. 73 00:03:20,499 --> 00:03:23,869 >> This actually is what we call pillow -- a pillow. 74 00:03:23,869 --> 00:03:28,841 And it has a spigot to inject the water into it. 75 00:03:28,841 --> 00:03:30,609 It's a manual injection. 76 00:03:30,609 --> 00:03:34,647 And this goes inside of the plant unit. 77 00:03:34,647 --> 00:03:37,916 And then the plant just starts growing out of here, 78 00:03:37,916 --> 00:03:39,885 and it follows the track of the light just 79 00:03:39,885 --> 00:03:41,553 like normal plants do. 80 00:03:41,553 --> 00:03:44,823 It -- the challenges we have with 0 G is 81 00:03:44,823 --> 00:03:46,125 to keep everything encased. 82 00:03:46,125 --> 00:03:49,828 All the soil, the nutrients, the seeds. 83 00:03:49,828 --> 00:03:51,530 We can't have everything flowing around, 84 00:03:51,530 --> 00:03:53,165 because it is open to the cabin. 85 00:03:53,165 --> 00:03:57,369 And we don't want any of the impurities or any of the -- 86 00:03:57,369 --> 00:03:59,171 call it dirt -- to get out. 87 00:03:59,171 --> 00:04:01,106 And it grows very cleanly. 88 00:04:01,106 --> 00:04:02,241 And this material -- 89 00:04:02,241 --> 00:04:05,544 it's a Kevlar material -- and we're very happy. 90 00:04:05,544 --> 00:04:07,446 And this was co-produced or co-developed 91 00:04:07,446 --> 00:04:09,882 with NASA and Orbitech. 92 00:04:09,882 --> 00:04:13,319 >> And growing a garden is just not good for the return there, 93 00:04:13,319 --> 00:04:15,821 but it's also good for mental health right? 94 00:04:15,821 --> 00:04:16,755 >> Absolutely. 95 00:04:16,755 --> 00:04:18,157 There's been a lot of science done, 96 00:04:18,157 --> 00:04:22,594 and we work with the University of Wisconsin in this as well. 97 00:04:22,594 --> 00:04:27,399 And the environment of a plant or plants have been shown 98 00:04:27,399 --> 00:04:31,570 to create a stimulus inside of the human being 99 00:04:31,570 --> 00:04:33,372 that is all goodness and wholesome. 100 00:04:33,372 --> 00:04:36,875 And especially on long duration space, 101 00:04:36,875 --> 00:04:41,046 and some of the terrestrial applications too 102 00:04:41,046 --> 00:04:42,114 for here on Earth. 103 00:04:42,114 --> 00:04:45,184 It's very good for the brain. 104 00:04:45,184 --> 00:04:47,653 >> And why did you want to grow plants in space? 105 00:04:47,653 --> 00:04:50,456 What brought the interest about to your company 106 00:04:50,456 --> 00:04:53,392 and how did you get involved with NASA? 107 00:04:53,392 --> 00:04:56,261 >> Well -- our owners, Dr. Crice [phonetic] and Ron Teeter 108 00:04:56,261 --> 00:04:58,731 and Tom Kreb [phonetic], they have a vision. 109 00:04:58,731 --> 00:05:02,501 And their vision is for humankind out in space -- 110 00:05:02,501 --> 00:05:06,839 not only habitating the moon and Mars, but long duration space. 111 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,807 And plants play a big part in that. 112 00:05:08,807 --> 00:05:12,711 And of course, with Wisconsin, and that influence on growing 113 00:05:12,711 --> 00:05:15,381 and farming, and everything like that, it was just a natural, 114 00:05:15,381 --> 00:05:17,716 in this area, to be able to do that. 115 00:05:17,716 --> 00:05:19,785 So we're very excited. 116 00:05:19,785 --> 00:05:21,754 Our engineers, Robert Richter [phonetic]. 117 00:05:21,754 --> 00:05:26,859 Ross -- well I don't want to forget names here, because -- 118 00:05:26,859 --> 00:05:31,196 Ross Ramicher [phonetic], Jim Harris, and Dr. Morrow, 119 00:05:31,196 --> 00:05:32,598 have worked very hard. 120 00:05:32,598 --> 00:05:37,269 And the owners have given their careers to a lot of this science 121 00:05:37,269 --> 00:05:40,072 that is now going up on station again. 122 00:05:40,072 --> 00:05:42,341 And we're very happy about that. 123 00:05:42,341 --> 00:05:45,344 >> When will we see this on station? 124 00:05:45,344 --> 00:05:50,949 >> So it's slated to fly February on Space X3. 125 00:05:50,949 --> 00:05:54,319 So we're very anticipating that, 126 00:05:54,319 --> 00:05:55,988 and want to get this up and going. 127 00:05:55,988 --> 00:05:58,490 We're going to first grow lettuce. 128 00:05:58,490 --> 00:06:02,194 But when that comes down we've also got loaded pillows 129 00:06:02,194 --> 00:06:03,095 to grow flowers. 130 00:06:03,095 --> 00:06:03,962 >> Oh, how nice [chuckles]. 131 00:06:03,962 --> 00:06:05,297 >> While they're waiting on that. 132 00:06:05,297 --> 00:06:07,466 So, you know, it's just we're going to keep it going -- 133 00:06:07,466 --> 00:06:09,001 >> Going to spiffy up the place up there right? 134 00:06:09,001 --> 00:06:10,235 [Chuckles]. 135 00:06:10,235 --> 00:06:11,170 >> Absolutely [chuckles] it's -- and they're zinnias. 136 00:06:11,170 --> 00:06:11,703 That's what -- 137 00:06:11,703 --> 00:06:12,905 >> Oh okay. 138 00:06:12,905 --> 00:06:14,706 >> I wrote it down to make sure I remembered that. 139 00:06:14,706 --> 00:06:17,209 >> [Chuckles] and tell us about the Earth applications. 140 00:06:17,209 --> 00:06:19,344 I know there's a lot to that as well. 141 00:06:19,344 --> 00:06:21,713 And kids can get involved too, right? 142 00:06:21,713 --> 00:06:22,781 Or they have before. 143 00:06:22,781 --> 00:06:23,615 >> Right. Yeah. 144 00:06:23,615 --> 00:06:26,051 That's a very good stem program. 145 00:06:26,051 --> 00:06:29,154 We've actually made some space gardens here 146 00:06:29,154 --> 00:06:30,856 that we have put into the schools. 147 00:06:30,856 --> 00:06:34,560 The Astro garden that is like this unit has been 148 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,196 on station many times, growing. 149 00:06:37,196 --> 00:06:40,933 And we'd love to interact with the universities; 150 00:06:40,933 --> 00:06:44,403 elementary' S. They can actually grow what the astronauts are 151 00:06:44,403 --> 00:06:47,506 growing up on space, so -- or on space station. 152 00:06:47,506 --> 00:06:49,842 And, you know, one of the things I wanted 153 00:06:49,842 --> 00:06:52,945 to do was thank some people on this with -- 154 00:06:52,945 --> 00:06:55,380 and I need to mention the NASA folks. 155 00:06:55,380 --> 00:06:57,850 Our cooperation with NASA has just been wonderful. 156 00:06:57,850 --> 00:07:00,886 And with -- especially with Kennedy, on not only this, 157 00:07:00,886 --> 00:07:04,423 but advanced plan habitats and things like that. 158 00:07:04,423 --> 00:07:07,726 Just to mention a few, and I know I'll make some people mad, 159 00:07:07,726 --> 00:07:09,928 but Brian Onaudie [phonetic]. 160 00:07:09,928 --> 00:07:13,799 Joy Amasa -- Joy Amasa [phonetic] is the lead scientist 161 00:07:13,799 --> 00:07:16,735 for the science that's going up out of Kennedy. 162 00:07:16,735 --> 00:07:20,305 Nicole Duffer [phonetic], Torri Long [phonetic], Luke Robertson 163 00:07:20,305 --> 00:07:22,007 and Monica Solar [phonetic]. 164 00:07:22,007 --> 00:07:25,277 The other is the support we've had from NASA. 165 00:07:25,277 --> 00:07:27,613 Washington from the NASA brass 166 00:07:27,613 --> 00:07:29,915 with this project has been great. 167 00:07:29,915 --> 00:07:32,784 And Charlie Qunicy and Mary Beth Adine [phonetic]. 168 00:07:32,784 --> 00:07:34,319 And of course Julie Robinson 169 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:38,857 from the Johnson Group have just been outstanding for this. 170 00:07:38,857 --> 00:07:42,928 The SBIR Program Works, we're able to do a lot of things 171 00:07:42,928 --> 00:07:45,230 with the SBIR Program. 172 00:07:45,230 --> 00:07:48,267 We've enjoyed a bunch, which we then commercialized -- 173 00:07:48,267 --> 00:07:50,202 which we're commercializing this as well. 174 00:07:50,202 --> 00:07:51,303 >> Mm-hmm. 175 00:07:51,303 --> 00:07:54,439 >> But the SBIR office of Jennifer Van Pelt 176 00:07:54,439 --> 00:07:56,942 and Michael Vinceade [phonetic] it was wonderful. 177 00:07:56,942 --> 00:07:59,411 They did a wonderful job with us -- still doing -- 178 00:07:59,411 --> 00:08:01,113 a wonderful job with more 179 00:08:01,113 --> 00:08:03,115 and more projects that we have on this. 180 00:08:03,115 --> 00:08:04,216 >> Well Paul it takes a village. 181 00:08:04,216 --> 00:08:06,018 And we thank you for sharing with us today. 182 00:08:06,018 --> 00:08:08,020 We can't wait to see VEGGIE launch next year. 183 00:08:08,020 --> 00:08:09,488 And that will do it for us. 184 00:08:09,488 --> 00:08:11,189 From the Payload Operations Integrations Center.